Rampage (PK) Discussion

    Yes you can.. AFTER you have experienced the system, but what all of you did was judging a system that you have not even experienced yet.

    Now that you did, by all means, scream as much as you want.

    What can I say, *shrugs* i must have great foresight and/or vast experience. My opinion didn't really change :3
    I hope those ppl preaching things about not judging things that one does not experience oneself, never ever do the same.

    Yes, and you cant judge how jumping into a volcano and hitting your head on a sharp rock before being submerged in lava will feel If you never tried it before. Some things are just common-sense obvious how it would turn out. Just like this silly rampage system.



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    Ignorance remains forever ignored.

    Let's be real, this is a bit of a silly comparison. "I don't like the risk (slim though it potentially is) of being PKd in a game with a good focus on PvP" is hardly the same as "I don't want to suffer incredible pain and then die in real life". PvP is an enormous aspect of gaming, and PKing has been around for years. If you want to avoid it, there are a million single-player games out there with absolutely 0 risk of this, and plenty other MMOs that will make sure you're safe, warm, and protected from even the slightest risk of any troll players annoying you.


    I don't want that. Even though I don't like the idea of getting killed by a stranger as I'm going about my quests, the penalty to me is minimal, the penalty to them is larger, and the overall 2-minute inconvenience to my day is outweighed by the fact that such a mechanic adds an interesting dynamic to my interactions in the world. Maybe I'll think twice about running my mouth to a top player if I'm feeling salty, maybe I'll be more encouraged to make friends instead of enemies, maybe I'll stop to watch as one player is rampaging in the middle of nowhere (morbid curiosity, we all have it).


    Even if it's nothing like that and we realistically never experience the mechanic, just the fact that the potential exists makes it more fun and adds depth to an MMO where you rarely see it. I can't keep track of the amount of MMOs that will prevent PK except under special conditions, but can count on one hand those with a system like this.


    Maybe the penalty for people who rampage can be sharper, but anyone so threatened by the idea of being griefed in an online game should probably not play online games, because people will find a way no matter what. I, for one, like this idea in theory, and will wait to see in practice how it turns out before screaming my head off about it being broken.

    You appear to have taken my post out of context. I wasn't comparing the two. I was comparing one obvious statement to another obvious statement. you can take the volcano example out and place anything else you want there. Such as, "The fruit called orange, is orange, if you eat an orange, you are eating a fruit. If you eat the orange, you are gaining additional vitiman c into your system"


    Give humans the tools to grief others with in-game (rampage system) And those humans will....Grief others with those tools. The examples above can be placed in the same category as this statement. That category is called "Obvious" You can still grief players (if that's your thing) Without this silly system in place. I am fully onboard with its removal. My hope is that all of the threads in just the beta test are an indication of the release date data. Meaning, if there are 999 threads on this stupid system now, then imagine on launch-year. With so much complaining/Whining, whatever you fancy, that it'll be removed for good. Then I can fully enjoy this game, all while ignoring you user's ridiculous advice.


    You also have zero right to give me any recommendations that I did not request or ask for, or will even consider in the slightest. I'll decide what I play and what I don't. If I don't like something I will make complaints before I decide on the next course of action. Rather you forum users like it or not.

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    Ignorance remains forever ignored.

    I'm not sure why you feel the need to get so defensive and bitter, but clearly you feel very strongly about this system, which is fine :)


    The tools are not free to wield without consequence, and I think it'd do more harm than good to completely erase this system altogether rather than tweaking it until it feels a bit more balanced and proportional to the risks. You are right, some people will want to use the tools to grief others - the rampage system is undeniably one of them, but you'll struggle to find MMOs that have organised their systems such that there is 0% chance of being griefed. Part of the appeal of an MMO is the interaction between other people, and guess what, sometimes people can be assholes - you'll never get away from that, no matter if you post 999 or 10,000 threads on how upset it makes you.


    It's nice to see you're so eager to enjoy this game that you'll do your hardest to make it perfect (part of that being the removal of the system), but I think you could be approaching this from a healthier perspective, but that's up to you.


    And, well, as for whether or not you requested recommendations or advice, I think you need to take a look at where you are (on a forum) - a public placing for sharing ideas, suggestions, thoughts, and criticisms. You may not like what people say or that they give you recommendations, but guess what, fella? You're going to get them ;) I'd get used to it sooner than later <3

    Your un-needed personal recommendations towards me, has nothing to do with the topic of the forum. It'll just be discarded and ignored anyway.


    I do apologize if the last post seemed too defensive or in bad taste. I must be getting sleepy.

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    Ignorance remains forever ignored.

    Just like how it is easy to discard and ignore your complaints, especially when you dont even give it a chance. ?(

    It could be an idea for you PKers to get good at PvP and join in the PvP areas and arenas. PKers are generally useless at PvP which is why they enjoy picking on someone with no PvP gear on, and who weren't expecting to be ganked....easy meat, easy win and a chance to trash talk... but pretty useless at PvP, hence they don't want to do it with better PvPers :) I see in other posts regarding PvP that the useless are even going to make PK groups!!! Really? You need a group of people to take down one unaware, ungeared person = really, really useless....gang warfare only without 2 gangs :p The rampage system is far too soft, other PVE/PvP games had them in prison for 3 days. I think that's far more realistic.


    Also, stop with the "find another game" stuff, you really want to drive people away from the game? Gameforge will love the lack of money coming in with just a few PKers left (who aren't renowned for spending money)....not!. There's another game coming out soon, where "genders are neutral" and players choose their "pronouns"....the potential players are also telling people to find another game if they don't like it. I see another failure of what could be a good game, but with only a small minority playing will 100% fail.

    Or join me in 'Bomberman' <3 - it's also PvP x:

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    This feels very misleading. They described open world PvP as not forced, but in reality it IS forced on players. This is wrong and needs to be changed.

    HOW? how do you think this? there is literally no "forced open world" pvp. there's faction PvP which you have to pick a faction then flag up or into and if you do its a choice that lasts six hours before you can choose to unflag and not be marked as a pvp target again. there's Rampage Mode which punishes the PKER alot Heavier with little to no reward for them to do it other than, "you took my spot!" or "you made me mad for this you die." where they get punched into jail for hours on end. I don't get this mentality. the games fine as it is

    NO, Terrible Idea Do you know what world of warcraft did with warmode? Did that work out well? answer not it did not it sucked and many people did not like it.

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    Quote from Naunet

    This feels very misleading. They described open world PvP as not forced, but in reality it IS forced on players. This is wrong and needs to be changed.

    HOW? how do you think this? there is literally no "forced open world" pvp. there's faction PvP which you have to pick a faction then flag up or into and if you do its a choice that lasts six hours before you can choose to unflag and not be marked as a pvp target again. there's Rampage Mode which punishes the PKER alot Heavier with little to no reward for them to do it other than, "you took my spot!" or "you made me mad for this you die." where they get punched into jail for hours on end. I don't get this mentality. the games fine as it is. freaking carebears coming in everytime and asking for changes to the game that actually help it get killed off faster than improve or make it interesting.

    My, my. Remember, deep breaths. We mustn't forget our breathing techniques.


    Actually, if it was written or advertised that in-game pvp/pk was "Not forced" or anything similar to that wording, then yes it would be considered false advertisement/misleading. Because Rampage mode is a system in-game that forces you into pvp/pk. Whether you want to or not.


    But I don't ever recall them saying in the marketing that it was no forced pk in the game itself. But of course, I could be wrong about this.

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    Ignorance remains forever ignored.

    No that's not how that works. its not false marketing. Frankly I don't think you understand even remotely how that works. despite you saying that. and the rampage system isn't forced you have to activate it and the person who does risks suffering horrible horribly consquences for using it.

    If someone PK me, it is FORCED PVP on me, because i CANT avoid it.


    And yes, THIS: STEAM GAME FAQ


    Is there PvP? If so, is it open-world or in a separate game mode?

    • There are several PvP game modes for small to large groups to enjoy.
    • Upon release, players can request to duel with other players in the open world.


    IS per definition, false marketing.



    PersonallyI i don´t care about PK, the penalty is good enough.

    Buhaha, you say that with complete disregard to the victim. The victim doesn't have to activate rampage mode to be forced into an altercation with the rampaging lunatic. The sheer audacity to ignore one whole side of the equation and then tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. (also the "horrible consequences can be bypassed with a china exploit so the rampager can stay active longer) I bet you get straight-A's in class. XD

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    Ignorance remains forever ignored.

    This isn't false marketing, it makes no mention of forced pvp one way or the other. There IS a dueling feature. That isn't wrong, and PK could fall under the umbrella of several PvP modes. Misleading maybe? Sure, but not false. And this issue is really being blown way out of proportion than it should be, because this PK mechanic is going to be so under utilized that it really didn't even need to be mentioned. But people are terrified of possibilities for things that haven't happened yet and that won't happen for any extended period of time.

    You sound more like you have a victim complex than being an actual victim with how strongly you have reacted to this issue. It seems to be very all or nothing in these threads over incredibly small issues that really are not going to affect 95% of players. You are creating a self fulfilling prophecy by being so anti PK that you are going to make people WANT to PK you. Then I am sure that will add validation to your ideas that this system is broken and unfair, when in reality it is working exactly as intended.

    Can´t be listed under "PvP Modes", because those are "seperate Game Modes aka Instances, and because its already listed under "Open World" ^^

    I see, and what are you basing this personal observation of yours on me off of? Where are you collecting the numbers and data from, so i can look at these charts myself? I'm not anti pk. I fully support the faction system. I'm 100% against Pk'ers attacking PVE players is all. How is it not still considered PK because the opponent is fighting back, or the opponent is ready for an attack? It's only considered PK if the victim is in PVE gear or not expecting it? Ridiculous.


    Let those who are short on temper come kill me then. The virtual death of my avatar won't change anything or "make me shut up" if anything it'll make it a lot worse.

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    Ignorance remains forever ignored.

    PK is for killing obnoxious people who are refusing to fight, people who are causing problems but refusing to actually accept responsibility for them, people who are skirting the lines of the rules and trying to ruin the game for others. It isn't about being short on temper.


    If all you are going to do is say woe is me, this game is broken and people keep killing me, I don't want to make friends to help me or actually develop any pvp skills myself, devs please remove game features so the game can be the proper safe space that I want. All you are going to do is annoy the people around you and make them question why you are playing this game at all. And that is what will get you PKed.


    Just play the game as it is intended and you will see that this PK mechanic will go heavily underutilized and the couple times it does get used might even encourage you to make new friends or develop interesting stories that MMO's are made to try to promote. Complain all the time about non-issues and you are going to get PKed. System works as intended. Keeping world chat clean.


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    Caduryn's comment (I won't make another post for it) is just semantics and still really doesn't count as false advertising.