Rampage (PK) Discussion

  • All of this is very nicely worded, I agree with all of it. It is a 100% established fact, that the mode only exists to breed toxicity. There are Zero rewards for using this silly mode and you actually get punished for it instead. Remove garbage from the game like one would remove garbage from their house.


    It shouldn't be player A's choice to decide if player B can finish his quest or not in order to engage in some meaningless activity with zero benefits. This is something I've been trying to communicate properly for a while now.

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  • I put it back here, since the subject is closed on the other forum.



    So I'm going to "try" to get some people on this forum to understand how Pk works and why pk and OWPVP are different. (even my 9 year old little sister understood ...)



    The Pk would not be the Pk if the player who kills and the player killed both had to activate the rampage mode, it would no longer be Rampage but simply pvp between willing player.



    If both players activate rampage then killing a player would be legal and therefore the Karma, Prison, Bounty, Sworn Enemy System and Chance System put in place would have NO interest.



    If I activate my rampage and kill a player who also activates it, why would I go to jail? I would not be considered a criminal.



    This is why pk and pvpOW are different and since the inception of mmorpg pk has always been like this.



    This is why this request is ridiculous and will never succeed, either the pk is present or it is not.



    Phaendar explained it yesterday during the steam-stream, the pk is there, accepting and playing, crying and wanting to change the game design of a game already released in another country is just ridiculous and IMPOSSIBLE.



    Sometimes you will get killed (or maybe never) because pk is EXTREMELY punitive and your death will not handicap you unlike the player who got you PK, accept all the game design and play it, or change the game which Doesn't have any, Solo has PK, accept it, you have no choice.



    Solo is an exceptional game that wants to appeal to everyone and not just a few pve players who don't accept this kind of content, Solo is not a pve or pvp oriented mmorpg, it does both and does it very well. , we are finally lucky it happens but some selfish players would like to see Solo change because he thinks it's THEIR games but that's wrong, solo is everyone's game, or we accept as is or we leave.


    So if they have to change the PK as YOU (some pve players) want then the PK would no longer make sense, you might as well remove it altogether.


    Rampage will never delete or modify, you are wasting your time.

  • The Pk would not be the Pk if the player who kills and the player killed both had to activate the rampage mode, it would no longer be Rampage but simply pvp between willing player.

    You say it like you've descended from the sky with that silly crap chiseled on a stone tablet. Who made this a law? Is it an unspoken rule? It's actually just your personal preference because I don't agree with it. It's not the same as saying you need air to breathe to live.


    In reality, it can still be considered OW PK if you have to turn it on. Factions is a superior Pk system with rewards.

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  • *Sigh*
    This topic is serving "United States political party" realness - extremists on either side and barely anyone actually trying to listen to the other, and misunderstandings left and right. It's like beating a dead horse with a dead horse on a pile of dead horses.
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    Anyway, if any rampagers need zither music while they're stuck in jail, I gotchu :*

  • Possibly becuz noone else then me really tested the Rampage System out.i spend quite a lot of hours with Rampage and PK and even more in Prison for my guide so i tested it all out. Thanks to help of my Guildmates and CM Baldrov who was so nice to get me out of prison at the end after i locked all my chars in it for basically infinity at the last day of beta.

  • The Pk would not be the Pk if the player who kills and the player killed both had to activate the rampage mode, it would no longer be Rampage but simply pvp between willing player.

    You say it like you've descended from the sky with that silly crap chiseled on a stone tablet. Who made this a law? Is it an unspoken rule? It's actually just your personal preference because I don't agree with it. It's not the same as saying you need air to breathe to live.


    In reality, it can still be considered OW PK if you have to turn it on. Factions is a superior Pk system with rewards.

    I have already told you and explained it several times, the PK has ALWAYS been like this in ALL Asian mmorpg, if player A (the killer) and player B (the victim) have to activate the Pk to be able to participate then this is no PK but pvpOW consenting, the prison, the bounty and the penalties would no longer have any interest, that will never change. You arrive in a game wanting to change the game design, it's just impossible. Either the Chinese development studio remove it or it will never change.


    And if you ever expect another wuxia or wianxia themed mmorpg such as Moonlight blade, Justice online or even J3 then you will be very disappointed to know that Pk is even more present in these mmorpg. ALL Chinese mmorpg have open world pvp and PK.

  • It's self-absorbing to just assume that out of the thousands of players that were in the beta. I did test the mode out myself. And there was no revelations or breakthroughs. It's exactly like I knew it would be. A worthless mode that only exists for evil, criminals, and [REMOVED] to use it to harass people with. Nothing more, nothing less.


    So from someone who also tested it, I'm telling others, there's no need to experience it. It's exactly what you're thinking it's like. No hidden layers. Hope that you don't run into "EXTREMEPKBRO" (random rampager i made up) And hope that he doesn't decide you don't need to finish your quest.

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  • You start pushing the limits, we're in a video game, stop insulting people who play differently from you, maybe you should go see a psychologist.

    Comparing players who use Rampage to [REMOVED] ... that's too much.

  • Show me the law in effect, the manuscript written by the 12 Pk disciples that states this is the only way OWPk can be implemented. And give me the signature of every single online player that agrees with this. Explain you're opinions to me 99 more times it won't change anything.


    Impossible isn't it? That is just your interpretation of what OWPK mode is. No law.



    Also with all due respect, your post is seriously contradicting and comes off as a babbling mess to read. If you want to attack PVE players and fight easy battles you know you can win, I think it's best to just be honest with it. Like that smoke dude was. How can it be "Just impossible" One minute and "Either the Chinese remove it" the next? So actually what you meant, is that it IS possible? lol

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  • Gameforge is not the developer, if the Chinese studio (the developer) decides to remove Rampage mode, then yes, gameforge will also remove it but the opposite is impossible.



    Is it clear?

  • If gameforge has a sub-forum up, asking for feedback on the game. Why does that thread exist? If they can't change any of the game's code itself, what's the point?


    Does that forum sub-section exist for GF to relay information to the devs? Are you possibly trying to suggest that GF has zero commutation with the Chinese devs? No? Oh wait, they actually do have communication.


    So, Players letting them know here that they want the worthless mode removed, They can relay it to the Chinese devs that they have communications with. Then those devs can remove it if they see fit.


    There are two options that you can't deny here from what I mentioned above.


    1. GF has some control over the game's code and can make slight changes. (skin tones, or modifications to a worthless mode called rampage)


    2. GF communicates to Chinese devs and asks for changes made to their version. In order to get these changes, they have to ask the players here.



    Both of those options are why it IS worth complaining about it on the forums.

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  • Gameforge is not the developer, if the Chinese studio (the developer) decides to remove Rampage mode, then yes, gameforge will also remove it but the opposite is impossible.



    Is it clear?

    All they need to do is disable the rampage skill/button. Set the value for when its activating to level 999999. There, no more rampage. Can they change things? For sure, or they would not ask for feedback. And regarding it is who changes it (chinese developers vs Gameforge staff) doesnt really matter.

  • Someone mentioned, that noone tries to listen to the other side.


    But i tried getting answeres to m questions, in order to understand PKers better, but I've never once gotten an answer.

    Also the nemesis system has been mentioned.

    Also perosnally, I have also tested Rampage in Beta.
    I know that prison is OPTIONAL, and i know that NPCs only deal 1dmg/hit
    I also know that its possible for non-rampagers to heal rampager people so they wont die, even with the lighting, and can keep annoying ppl (even if not kill, there is still CC).

    I also know its possibel to break out of prison

    plus there are also ways to reduce pQi/get nQi by doing other stuff than using Rampage.


    But what i still do not know: What is the fun about forcing people into a pvp situation/aka PKing? Why is it ok to force people into without option, but it's optional to go to Prison?

    And how is this more fun/better, than for example Faction toggle or other PvP maps/modes?

    I'd love to know some PKers answers~ so I can try to understand better :3


  • Gameforge is not the developer, if the Chinese studio (the developer) decides to remove Rampage mode, then yes, gameforge will also remove it but the opposite is impossible.



    Is it clear?

    All they need to do is disable the rampage skill/button. Set the value for when its activating to level 999999. There, no more rampage. Can they change things? For sure, or they would not ask for feedback. And regarding it is who changes it (chinese developers vs Gameforge staff) doesnt really matter.

    LOL?

  • complain as much as you want, there are enough players who like the PK system as it is, so i doubt anything will be changed as GF already stated they want to keep Rampage Mode like it is.

    People are not complaining, they are saying why they dislike the system. Honestly I couldnt care less. Revive and thats it. I wouldnt even try to fight back if someone PK's me. If they want the negative QI go for it. If anything, the people that want to keep rampage as it is should be the PvE players and not the PvP players because the penalty is so harsh for killing someone.


    So the people that actually want to use the ramapge system should be in here, voicing their concerns about how big of a penalty it is to use rampage mode and try to get GF to lessen the penalty.

  • complain as much as you want, there are enough players who like the PK system as it is, so i doubt anything will be changed as GF already stated they want to keep Rampage Mode like it is.

    They'll remove it if there's enough backlash. Just like any other game. If they do, it'll be sometime after release though. I think it's safe to assume the release is when most of the casual players (the ones that will hate the mode) will play.


    I for one, will never let it rest. Every time I see a chance to disagree with rampage mode I will. If they don't listen to me personally, then hopefully these post will give others the courage to speak up as well about the worthless mode, and they'll consider the collective.

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  • Let me know which part I wasnt clear on and I will try to explain it for you. English isnt my first language so I guess it was hard for you to understand what I said.

  • well its only optional to go to prison as long as you can stay alive from being killed by players and never use teleport, as teleport will always end in prison. also you have the stat debuff and the lightning strikes that hit you all the time and stun you while making big dmg on you.

  • Games actually have things called Values to determine what happens inside the game. When a player clicks on anything in the game (skills included) along with items, or just any interaction at all. It has a value that only registered when the value (or condition) is met. If the values/conditions are disabled for the rampage system then no, it won't activate.


    What the user most likely meant by the post is that it wouldn't take any development resources to disable the mode like you think it would. Anyone can do it/It can be done. No team of developers needed. GF may or may not even need permission to do this if it was needed.

    Someone else's opinions or how many likes I can receive will never go into consideration before I press submit to any of my posts.



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